Moneo In GEOD: "Siaynoq! I Believe! (The Golden Smoke)"

[HoosierDaddy]

What was that all about?

A little tester for those that think the prequels/sequels are canon.

:-)

[HoosierDaddy]

No theories out there? Anybody want to try explaining the term "Siaynoq"?

It's meager, but maybe something to take our minds off the next BH/KA
extravaganza...

:-)

Post by HoosierDaddy
What was that all about?
A little tester for those that think the prequels/sequels are canon.
:-)

[Wild Monkshood]

Post by HoosierDaddy
No theories out there? Anybody want to try explaining the term "Siaynoq"?

As I am currently rereading GEOD, I can assure that FH, through
character dialogue, between Duncan & Leto, explains the term in detail.

Post by HoosierDaddy
It's meager, but maybe something to take our minds off the next BH/KA
extravaganza
:-)

Post by HoosierDaddy
What was that all about?
A little tester for those that think the prequels/sequels are canon.
:-)

[HoosierDaddy]

Once more, his gaze came around to the Royal Cart. It lay jammed against the
stubs of broken girders. Even as Moneo looked, the God Emperor's futile hands
groped for Hwi Noree, but failed to reach her. She fell from the cart's open
end, silently, the golden gown whipping upward to reveal her body stretched out
as straight as an arrow.
A deep, rumbling groan came from the God Emperor.
Why doesn't he activate the suspensors? Moneo wondered. The suspensors will
support him.
But the lasgun was still humming and, as Moneo's hands slipped from the cable's
severed end, he saw lancing flame strike the cart's suspensor bubbles, piercing
one after another in eruptions of golden smoke. Moneo stretched his hands over
his head as he fell.
The smoke! The golden smoke!
His robe whipped upward, turning him until his face was directed downward into
the abyss. With his gaze on the depths, he recognized a maelstrom of boiling
rapids there, the mirror of his life-precipitous currents and plunges, all
movement gathering up all substance. Leto's words wound through his
mind on a path of golden smoke: "Caution is the path to mediocrity. Gliding,
passionless mediocrity is all that most people think they can achieve." Moneo
fell freely then in the ecstasy of awareness. The universe opened for him like
clear glass, everything flowing in a no Time.
The golden smoke!
"Leto!" he screamed. "Siaynoq! I believe!"
The robe tore away from his shoulders then. He turned in the wind of the canyonone
last glimpse of the Royal Cart tipping . . . tipping from the shattered
roadbed. The God Emperor slid out of the open end.
Something solid smashed into Moneo's back-his last sensation.

??

[Tony]

"HoosierDaddy" <***@yahoo.com> wrote
<snip>

Leto's words wound through his
mind on a path of golden smoke: "Caution is the path to mediocrity. Gliding,
passionless mediocrity is all that most people think they can achieve." Moneo
fell freely then in the ecstasy of awareness. The universe opened for him like
clear glass, everything flowing in a no Time.
The golden smoke!

This is of course a difficult passage to interpret. However, I think the
"golden smoke" is an allusion to the golden path. In addition, the above
passage exemplifies the Zensunni "self reliance" philosophy espoused by the
Bene Tleilaxu (who also revere Leto II).

"Leto!" he screamed. "Siaynoq! I believe!"
The robe tore away from his shoulders then. He turned in the wind of the canyonone
last glimpse of the Royal Cart tipping . . . tipping from the shattered
roadbed. The God Emperor slid out of the open end.
Something solid smashed into Moneo's back-his last sensation.

In Tibetan Buddhism there's a form of meditation known as compassion. It
could be that Siaynoq is a variant on this form of mediation.

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art35523.asp

"I love you as I love no others!" Leto said.
"Love!" they screamed. . .
"I give you my beloved Duncan!" Leto said.
"Love!" they screamed.

"God Emperor of Dune," p. 204 of 421.

[Wild Monkshood]

Post by Tony
<snip>

Leto's words wound through his
mind on a path of golden smoke: "Caution is the path to mediocrity. Gliding,
passionless mediocrity is all that most people think they can achieve." Moneo
fell freely then in the ecstasy of awareness. The universe opened for him like
clear glass, everything flowing in a no Time.
The golden smoke!

This is of course a difficult passage to interpret.

Also, the guy was seconds away from eating a dirt sandwich.... :)

WM

[Tony]

Post by Wild Monkshood

Post by Tony
<snip>

Leto's words wound through his
mind on a path of golden smoke: "Caution is the path to mediocrity. Gliding,
passionless mediocrity is all that most people think they can achieve." Moneo
fell freely then in the ecstasy of awareness. The universe opened for him like
clear glass, everything flowing in a no Time.
The golden smoke!

This is of course a difficult passage to interpret.

Also, the guy was seconds away from eating a dirt sandwich.... :)

Yes, he was under a lot of pressure. ;-)

[HoosierDaddy]

Chigger, I would like see you take a shot at this one. IMO, more
Buddhist than western philosophy.

:)

Post by Wild Monkshood

Post by HoosierDaddy
No theories out there? Anybody want to try explaining the term "Siaynoq"?

As I am currently rereading GEOD, I can assure that FH, through
character dialogue, between Duncan & Leto, explains the term in detail.

Post by HoosierDaddy
It's meager, but maybe something to take our minds off the next BH/KA
extravaganza
:-)

Post by HoosierDaddy
What was that all about?
A little tester for those that think the prequels/sequels are canon.
:-)

[SandChigger]

Post by HoosierDaddy
Chigger, I would like see you take a shot at this one. IMO, more
Buddhist than western philosophy.
:)

Mu.

:D

"Words move, music moves
Only in time; but that which is only living
Can only die. Words, after speech, reach
Into the silence. Only by the form, the pattern,
Can words or music reach
The stillness, as a Chinese jar still
Moves perpetually in its stillness.
Not the stillness of the violin, while the note lasts,
Not that only, but the co-existence,
Or say that the end precedes the beginning,
And the end and the beginning were always there
Before the beginning and after the end.
And all is always now. Words strain,
Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Decay with imprecision, will not stay in place,
Will not stay still. Shrieking voices
Scolding, mocking, or merely chattering,
Always assail them. The Word in the desert
Is most attacked by voices of temptation,
The crying shadow in the funeral dance,
The loud lament of the disconsolate chimera."

;D

Although I jest, I am completely sincere...remember that of me at
least! But I doubt that anything I can add would shine light upon the
confusion which is reality.

Siaynoq!

One day Qi Gar found an orphan piling up pebbles on the banks of the
River Sanzu and asked him, "Who's yer daddy?"

(According to some scrolls this was right before Little Rabbit FooFoo
bopped him on the head.)

[HoosierDaddy]

Wow, I had to read that a few times, but each time it seemed to resonate
FH. Words mean different things to different people, and the Duniverse
has many meanings, eh? Who wrote that poem?

As to my own interpretation of Moneo and Siaynoq, it is rather
simplistic, yet mysterious. Moneo lived in the past, feared the future,
and couldn't live in the present, the "now". It took Moneo's death
experience to understood what Leto II was trying to teach him all those
long years.

Zen at the core IMO. Ekhart Tolle couldn't have said it any better.

:-)

Post by SandChigger
Mu.
:D
"Words move, music moves
Only in time; but that which is only living
Can only die. Words, after speech, reach
Into the silence. Only by the form, the pattern,
Can words or music reach
The stillness, as a Chinese jar still
Moves perpetually in its stillness.
Not the stillness of the violin, while the note lasts,
Not that only, but the co-existence,
Or say that the end precedes the beginning,
And the end and the beginning were always there
Before the beginning and after the end.
And all is always now. Words strain,
Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Decay with imprecision, will not stay in place,
Will not stay still. Shrieking voices
Scolding, mocking, or merely chattering,
Always assail them. The Word in the desert
Is most attacked by voices of temptation,
The crying shadow in the funeral dance,
The loud lament of the disconsolate chimera."
;D
Although I jest, I am completely sincere...remember that of me at
least! But I doubt that anything I can add would shine light upon the
confusion which is reality.
Siaynoq!
One day Qi Gar found an orphan piling up pebbles on the banks of the
River Sanzu and asked him, "Who's yer daddy?"
(According to some scrolls this was right before Little Rabbit FooFoo
bopped him on the head.)

[SandChigger]

:D

T. S. Eliot. It's from "Four Quartets", "Burnt Norton", IIRC.